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Do you realize
The elements that shape you
What defines your mind
Do you

Understand the origins
Of your horrors and your joys
All the people
And places you have been to
All the smells
All images and touches
Do you feel them swirling
Through your hot brain matter

Do you know why
You do the things you do
And why you feel
The way you think you should

Do you realize
Do you
Hear the whispers
Of your deepest wishes
Can you see them how
They distort and twist
Your naked identity

Do you feel it
Your skin is cracking
With noises in your blood
Your subconsciousness creeping

In your body
In corners of your mind
Can you separate it
Can you become pure again

Can you comprehend
Your elusive personality
As a realized possibility
As a probable entity
I've been thinking lately about what it means to be yourself, how one's personality is shaped and why we are who we are. The question of existence of free will aside, there are things in our mind that we do or even don't remember, shaping our every day decisions.

What would it mean for one to completely understand why he / she acts in a certain way or why things in one's life turned out to be the way they are? Does the understanding itself free us to some extent from the influences of the past? Or are we just pawns of the past events, mindlessly reacting to what is racing through our brain, having barely enough self-awareness to realise that we exist?
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dogyjoe Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014   Writer
Not bad. I feel a mixture of materialism and astral realms melting together to form a shape which later becomes what humanity calls "human". The sad part is that even if humanity realizes that one lives a material life with a purpose which is leading the soul to a higher realm, the person has to let go of "the fear of the unknown" concept and than he or she can awaken truly. About the past, well a very wise mentor said "You must let go of the past, because it is like a dead person" and i would like to put a little more to the end of this quote: "And how long do you wish to torture, the dead persons soul?"
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Elendurwen Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hmm I guess depends what 'let go of the past' means - to one, it might seem that he should ignore what happened completely and fully concentrate on the moment. To another, it might mean to let go of feelings related to the past, yet still remember what happened and that it affects us. I personally agree with the 2nd interpretation, what do you think?
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dogyjoe Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014   Writer
I think that humanity is becoming less intelligent, because giving meanings to a quote which is more older than concepts is not quite a wise decision. By all of this I mean that this "depends" word is only in the human mind to escape the truth that lies in front of every persons sight. If humanity would try for once to accept the facts for what they are and not try to twist or to explain such things which are solid and unchangeable than maybe everyone could step out of the mist and see clearly. This is what I think.

And to answer your question, I would go with the wise persons words "Let go of the past, because it is a dead person". Sometimes humanity should try to understand not to explain, because giving many meanings to one quote, doesn't change the message of the quote.
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Elendurwen Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
well, and how do you know that the 'understanding' you have, whatever it is, is the correct one? You seem to think that you know so much, yet whatever source of this 'knowledge' you have is subjectively interpreted to say the least. To seek the truth means to enquire, and to do so about everything you hold 'true'. Nothing is solid and unchangeable in my opinion, and if something was sad a long ago, doesn't matter who said it, doesn't make it automatically true. To not try to to understand is a thinking of a person who is easily manipulated by dogmas, by truths interpreted in one-minded way.
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dogyjoe Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014   Writer
You didn't read what I wrote correctly, I never mentioned that I know so much and I never mentioned that what I say is the correct one, you are the one who is judging me and accusing me with these false attributes. I just shared a quote which was said by Buddha (Gautama Siddhartha) and I wanted to see if you will judge me by using what I shared, and it seems, people do judge before they think. The quote that Buddha said is a simple and yet nowadays it seems it is hard to understand :)

In short terms, the message of the quote is:

Leave the past because it is a like a dead man. In other words, if one holds the past tight, lives by what the he/she experienced in the past or let us say the past is the building brick to the persons present and future than maybe that person will not get far because the past will not repeat itself, and if it does, it means that something went wrong, but this is all my point of view.

Also about unchangeable, I didn't referred to humans or life itself, I only reffered to the poem, I am aware that everything is changing, but a quote will always remain the same, even if new generation come and go and each generations gives a new meaning to the quote, the quote will still remain the same, that is what I wanted to show you or to explain, but it seems I didn't explained it quite well, for that my apologies, but judging someone is like looking in the mirror. Would you judge that person as well who is looking back?

If you wish to continue lecturing me, please do so in a note, not because of me, but it is your ego which will suffer the most :)
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Elendurwen Featured By Owner Jan 28, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Sorry, but you really didn't explain what you meant well, unlike in this latest comment. 

The explanation you offer (I wonder whose interpretation that is - or is it something that Buddha himself wrote?) is I think the first kind of explanation I proposed - the one where you just want to forget about the past? Do you (or the person whose explanation this is) not think that there is a lot we can learn from past and from our everyday reaction to it? Because from a neurological perspective, the past will always be in your memory, you can't delete it. But maybe I am not understanding the explanation you offer right?

I do not wish you lecture you, but equally I do not appreciate people who claim that know the truth (if there indeed is such a thing) because they 'understand' and don't need to dwell or logical / deeper explanations. Perhaps you are not such a person, but from the way you write your opinions (remembering our past conversations), it seems to me that you are. However, I might be too ready to think that about a stranger, as I talked to many religious fanatics on DA and elsewhere and they always strike me as just making excuses for not trying to go deep into things. They seem to take the first feelings they have say during meditation or a prayer or a drug use as the objective truth. Don't get me wrong, I was such a person when I was younger (I always thought that by getting stoned I see the 'truth' better). So, if your thinking it not like this, I apologise. 

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dogyjoe Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2014   Writer
The thing is that you ask for an opinion and I gave you mine and also I am not religious at all. I am just a soul in a human vessel traveling trough this realm. Above all, I never mentioned, wrote nor claimed in any of my comments, replies, poems, lessons that "I know the truth", I am the same as you and others, I am one of those who are searching for it, and to share with you something regarding to what you said "Because from a neurological perspective, the past will always be in your memory, you can't delete it. I have lost memories, by this I meant that there are memories which where deleted on a neurological level from my mind and consciousness, I have proof of that, so it can happen.

All in all, I wish to stop here with this proselytism. I have my own belief system and I am not obligated to believe in what you want me to believe in. Because life doesn't work this way. If you can accept the fact that people have other point of views or opinions of life than you have a free will to move on and also the possibility to carry own with your life without criticizing or judging other peoples just because they do not match to your standards.

As I said earlier, you ask for an opinion, I gave you one, if this is what happens if people enjoy your poem(s) and write a comment on it encouraging your development in poetry than my apologies but please do tell me that this bothers you and I shall stop watching or don't ask for others opinion if you can't handle it. You are not the first and I know that not the last person who thinks that I am arrogant person, I might be from a strangers point of view, but I only write and share what other are to afraid of to talk about. That is why people do not accept me. My apologies for that as well, I am who I am and life is as it is. Live it or escape it :)
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Elendurwen Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
" I have my own belief system and I am not obligated to believe in what you want me to believe in." Yes, I know, and I do respect that. In the end, DA is exactly good for this - exchanging opinions with people you perhaps wouldn't have a chance to in your physical life.
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freshvibes77 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
This is pretty good and thought provoking. I think therefor I am. Many of us hold irrational beliefs that lead to certain behaviors. They can be worked out.
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Elendurwen Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
And do you think that there is any value in working them out?
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